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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/09/2009 17:56:55
Dateline 17:36 hours Kamela System.
2009.09.15 17:36
The war between Absinthe Brothers Consortium and The Star Fraction is coming to an end. Absinthe Brothers Consortium has surrendered to The Star Fraction. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Battlestar Crusader the CEO of Absinthe Brothers Consortium has concluded formal surrender talks with the Star Fraction aimed at ending the long-running active wardec between the organizations.
Following the surrender of a symbolic prototype cloaking device in the public hangers of Kamela station by the Absinthe CEO to the executor of the Star Fraction concord was notified of the end of hostilities and the 24 hour cool down period was initiated to the visible relief of the Amarrian capsuleer.
Terms of Surrender include:
Absinthe Brothers Consortium to leave the 24th Crusade within the next 24 hours.
Battlestar Crusader to make a full and formal public apology to the Matari people of the Bleaklands and Devoid for the actions of his corporation over the past year and their support of the debased tyrant-queen Jamyl Sarum.
Absinthe Brothers Consortium to end all support of slave-holding regimes throughout space and to issue a further declaration of condemnation naming the regressive CVA regime in Providence as a blight on the reputation of all civilized and rational capsuleers.
On the provisio these terms are honoured in full I hereby give notice that Star Fraction pilots will cease aggressive action against Absinthe Pilots at this time tomorrow evening and we'll return them to neutral standings and normalize relations thereafter.
If Absinthe fail to follow-through on any of these terms we will reinitialize the war declaration and prosecute it with increased ferocity and commmitment in the weeks ahead.
So Battlestar and Absinthe Brothers Consortium. You have the opportunity for peace you have long negotiated to get. We have given you the chance you wanted. Will you take it?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:02:00 -
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Up to you if your honour your word or not Battlestar. You have 24 hours. Ultimately its all the same to us. You are the guys surrendering after all.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Well I took Battlestar at his word. Ultimately what else can you do? Somebody asks for a chance to get out of the war and says its breaking his corporation to pieces and he just needs a way out to keep his people together. Well, I told him what he needed to do and I hoped he would count his reputation more precious than a mere 24 hours out of a six month ongoing war.
If it was just a "tactic" and he was never serious at all then fair enough. We've all been scammed before doubtless. Not that its going to change anything in the long run.
Still, we'll give him the 24 hours to quit the Militia and see what happens.
If Battlestar breaks the terms it'll make shouting him some more all the sweeter 
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
Well I took Battlestar at his word. Ultimately what else can you do? Somebody asks for a chance to get out of the war and says its breaking his corporation to pieces and he just needs a way out to keep his people together. Well, I told him what he needed to do and I hoped he would count his reputation more precious than a mere 24 hours out of a six month ongoing war.
If it was just a "tactic" and he was never serious at all then fair enough. We've all been scammed before doubtless. Not that its going to change anything in the long run.
Still, we'll give him the 24 hours to quit the Militia and see what happens.
If Battlestar breaks the terms it'll make shooting him some more all the sweeter.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
IVe just realised jade, you accepted the surrender, and there were no terms states when the surrender was in process, so you would be going on your words :) demanding terms after the surrender has taken place is a bit odd isnt it.
We've previously spoken of your surrender terms Battlestar. Many times in fact. Deny it as you wish. Ultimately unless you meet the terms the war will be renewed. You knew the price, up to you if you want to pay it.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
No im afriad jade
You should leave it there. You've made your fear quite evident every evening in local chat. Still, your fear has now made you abandon any principle you might claim so I can't feel terribly guilty about crushing you when the war is back on.
By all means have a laugh at me being too trusting but don't let me hear whining about how I'm "griefing" your corporation in a couple of months now you hear?
You brought this on yourselves.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I'm honestly shocked.
And we'd care what you think why exactly? Back under the rug gutter rat.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I'm no friend of Amarr loyalists and intended in no way to badmouth the work of the freecaptains.
In all the time I've known of you Verone you have been a consistent supporter of the Amarrian nationalists and verbal enemy of the Fraction. Sometimes you've claimed otherwise but your nature generally shines through. You are a gutter-rat and you respect what you perceive to be the success of more successful gutter-rats, hence your idolization of the Amarrian nationalist bloc.
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The Fraction seems awfully self conscious and defensive in recent months for some reason, I'm concerned as to why this might be.
Don't mistake our derision for the clusmy interventions of a washed up pirate for any real concern. Battlestar Crusader has embarrassed himself and his corporation immensely today. You take his side and become a mockery. Thats really all there is to it.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gebher'el
I am curious, you say this like this is a direputable act in some way. How exactly is this a wrong thing to do. You know you will lose your ship so you self destruct the ship to deny the enemy the kill, this is bad how?
I think tecam was talking more about suiciding an unfitted or poorly fitted ship and crew against a SF vessel purely to nulify kill-rights granted on previous engagements. I've certainly seen 24th Crusades attack my vessels with gutter-fit battleships just through fear of the kill-rights I had on them. Its more a form of assisted suicide. Obviously it leads to some better peace of mind on their part - but it is showing a lamentable lack of faith in their own abilities and the help they can expect from friends.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Notice Me Notice Me Notice MEEEEE!"
Boring evening eh?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Originally by: BattleStar Crusader
No im afriad jade, no terms were discussed at th time of surrender and none were agreed, by accpeting the surrender you agreed there were no terms. So being a man of your word, will you go back on yours, will you sacrafice your honour and taint the name of your oh so powerful alliance.
^^this, pure win.
No surprise to find you supporting a liar and foresworn dog condemned and distrusted even by his own corporation for this.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
True Story. Theo never lies.
Never fights either... almost as if his only job is posting on IGS.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Not everyone has to fight to contribute. and his posting is spot on, hence your defensive remark.
Since when has suggesting that somebody is a substance-free forum-only mouthpiece been in any ways considered "defensive"? That dear chap was as defensive as a stab in the face with a sharp stick.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Let them have their forum drama. Otherwise, they might do something real or productive, and that would probably be a lot worse for everyone, wouldn't it?
Fine words from another never-seen-in-space dockmonkey.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Are you mad?
You sound mad.
Quoting hand-me-down goonswarm memes now Graelyn? I suppose thats about your level.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Zion
Originally by: Theophilas
Star Fraction only cares about Star Fraction
That is a seductive claim, pilot. Simple, elegant, and on the surface, seemingly supported by a plethora of evidence.
But you must learn your history my dear, and try to understand the politics of our kind. You see, you are talking about one of the most longstanding NRDS organizations in New Eden. Their rules of engagement have effectively mandated a concern for entities outside their own organization for as long as history records their existence as one. Even before there was a Star Fraction, far back in time, where brief historical anecdotes paint the story of a rag-tag crew of nobody anarchists slumming around in H-PA, even then, they had concerns for others outside their own corporation. The records kept by the Fraction's enemies at the time will even confirm this much, you needn't take my word for it.
And so, of course, singling them out amongst an endless ocean of territorial NBSI entities and accusing them of self-interest, when throughout the years, that capacity to care for others outside their immediate corporate family has been a uniquely central, consistent theme to their struggle...one that they would sooner self-destruct over than see betrayed, well, that would be about the most illogical argument you could attempt to pass off as fact.
Good to hear from you Kai Zion, and a brave attempt to bring a little logic to the mewling complaints of Amarrian nationalist folly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda
So jade made a mistake accepting trade window fron the book of tricks 101 - 2003 editon. And jades ego got hurt so he start to fabricate lies about some terms of surrender.In conclusion i never ever remember that PIE or any other loyalist corp in militia would post a victory message after SF revoked war.
Why would my ego be hurt by such a measure? What does it change? In 28 hours we'll be at war again. Only difference will be that Battlestar Crusader and his corporation will find it immeasurably more difficult to conduct such negotiations in the future.
And not sure how you are claiming fabrication when it has become fully apparent that the 24th Crusade knew about Battlestar's surrender negotiations and plea-bargaining months ago (even if members of his own corp did not).
Reality is that Battlestar has been groaning and lamenting his corporation's fate in Kamela local for the last few weeks and no-one can be in any doubt as to his desire to get out of the war that has seen his corporation crushed from a once-proud battleship-capable powerhouse into the current mean shell-entity that has trouble rustling up a couple of interceptors to sneak onto 24th Crusade 20-1 engagements against the TLF.
You are very proud that Battlestar has gulled us here. You consider that lies and treachery and doubtle-dealing are worthy attributes and things to be praised. Very well, noted. But I will tell you that this opinion is not shared amongst Battlestar's own corporation and matters there may take their momentum now.
Still, war will be renewed this evening and we'll see who ultimately benefits from the infamous "faked surrender" scandal.
Something tells me it won't be Absinthe Brothers Consortium though...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 17/09/2009 12:11:27
Originally by: Merdaneth
What has been shown is that Battlestar Crusader has not honored his promise to *Star Fraction*. This implies that he cannot be trusted to keep his word when dealing diplomatically with *Star Fraction*. If this means he cannot be trusted to honor is word in diplomacy in general is another topic entirely, and up to the reader here to decide.
Interesting to consider who beyond the Amarrian bloc would actually trust the word of Battlestar Crusader now. I certainly don't see a great deal of support for these actions coming from the gallery (or indeed from within Battlestar's own corporation).
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I do believe had he performed this diplomatic breach of trust on anyone but Star Fraction, the consequences would be much more severe. However, the reputation of Star Fraction and their CEO has made them a allowable target for shenanigans of this kind.
And yet diplomatic attempts resumed from Battlestar yesterday afternoon in advance of the renewal of wardec. We listened to his new proposals (albeit with a greater degree of cyncism) and learned he still wishes an end to the war and on which terms he seeks it. The specifics of those conversations are covered by diplomatic discretion (which the Star Fraction continues to honour scrupulously) but lets not think for a moment you are correct in your assumption this was all just a ruse.
I personally believe that Absinthe are seeking an end to hostilities. I believe that Battlestar may well have intended to keep his word but was forced to break his word by the peer-pressure of his fellow CEO's in the 24th Crusade who (like yourself Merdeneth) believe its okay to tell lies, break faith, and generally act like a dishonourable dog as long as its against a -10 war target.
This is a typical tactic for controlling elements of a cult of course. By persuading Battlestar to partake in behaviour that is near -universally condemned outside the cult it ensures its more difficult for the wavering member to leave them at all. And if anyone believes for one minute that this kind of diplomatic vacillation wins respect and acclaim beyond the 24th Crusade they are quite mistaken. Perhaps it might be considered laudable in Goonswarm or something, but amongst other entities that trade on their reputation and name this is not an action designed to further the interests of the corporation in question.
Still it speaks a lot for you Merdeneth. In essence you've declared your belief that its okay to break your word to a hated foe. I imagine that means that any suggestion of a formal duel, 1v1, truce or temperary ceasefire for any reason whatsoever proposed by yourself would be a lie and strategem designed to gain advantage for a better backstab right Merdeneth? Your hatred means you justify any petty betrayal for advantage and give yourself up to the animal rage of spiteful and base behaviour.
Well, forewarned is forearmed. And since we now see you are prepared to endorse outright lies as "fair tactics" against the Star Fraction there should be no further question about your own lying in any public statement or comment you make on SF matters right?
Thank you for being honest about your dishonesty Merdeneth. It makes things quite clear.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.17 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
I have not spoken to Battlestar during this incident and have no access to diplomatic channels. However, I resent the accusation. I have never lied, acted dishonorably or condoned or supported such behaviour. I was merely *explaining* to your alliance member how this came about, pointing out that he was overgeneralizing.
I'm somewhat surprised to see you still posting publicly after your reprimand from your corporation diplomat Merdaneth. Still I imagine there is some debate within PIE as to whether the standards that Rodj speaks of has current meaning in the 24th Crusade Context.
Your excuses aside, the reality is that you plainly stated that you didn't see the value of dealing honourably with enemies on this thread. This could mean you personally are prepared to lie and cheat and steal and break whatever promises are made if you see it to your advantage to do so - as such I'll take it under advisement and realize that since you are not bound to speak truthfully on any matter involving Star Fraction (and other enemy entity) your IGS posting can be dismissed as falsehood without detailed rebuttal.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Originally by: Snakester
Christ, SF still alive?.
Unfortunately so.
We lack enemies with the capability to change that status. I understand its frustrating but ultimately the failure is your own. Take responsibility for that and you'll find the honesty of the true viewpoint somewhat refreshing.
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